“Mr. Putin and his advisers misread a critical dynamic. The C.I.A. didn’t push its way into Ukraine. U.S. officials were often reluctant to fully engage” Csak nekem tunik onellentmondasosnak ez, annak tukreben, hogy a cikk elso fele allitja, hogy ukran specialis egysegeket treneltek mar 2016 ota?
Folyt “Mr. Putin has long blamed Western intelligence agencies for manipulating Kyiv and sowing anti-Russia sentiment in Ukraine.Toward the end of 2021, according to a senior European official, Mr. Putin was weighing whether to launch his full-scale invasion when he met with the head of one of Russia’s main spy services, who told him that the C.I.A., together with Britain’s MI6, were controlling Ukraine and turning it into a beachhead for operations against Moscow. But the Times investigation found that Mr. Putin and his advisers misread a critical dynamic. The C.I.A. didn’t push its way into Ukraine. U.S. officials were often reluctant to fully engage, fearing that Ukrainian officials could not be trusted, and worrying about provoking the Kremlin. Yet a tight circle of Ukrainian intelligence officials assiduously courted the C.I.A. and gradually made themselves vital to the Americans. In 2015, Gen. Valeriy Kondratiuk, then Ukraine’s head of military intelligence, arrived at a meeting with the C.I.A.’s deputy station chief and without warning handed over a stack of top-secret files. That initial tranche contained secrets about the Russian Navy’s Northern Fleet, including detailed information about the latest Russian nuclear submarine designs. Before long, teams of C.I.A. officers were regularly leaving his office with backpacks full of documents.“We understood that we needed to create the conditions of trust,” General Kondratiuk said. As the partnership deepened after 2016, the Ukrainians became impatient with what they considered Washington’s undue caution, and began staging assassinations and other lethal operations, which violated the terms the White House thought the Ukrainians had agreed to. Infuriated, officials in Washington threatened to cut off support, but they never did. “The relationships only got stronger and stronger because both sides saw value in it, and the U.S. Embassy in Kyiv — our station there, the operation out of Ukraine — became the best source of information, signals and everything else, on Russia,” said a former senior American official. “We couldn’t get enough of it.” This is the untold story of how it all happened.
Nagyon erdekes New York Times cikk: “Not far away, a discreet passageway descends to a subterranean bunker where teams of Ukrainian soldiers track Russian spy satellites and eavesdrop on conversations between Russian commanders. On one screen, a red line followed the route of an explosive drone threading through Russian air defenses from a point in central Ukraine to a target in the Russian city of Rostov. The underground bunker, built to replace the destroyed command center in the months after Russia’s invasion, is a secret nerve center of Ukraine’s military. There is also one more secret: The base is almost fully financed, and partly equipped, by the C.I.A.“One hundred and ten percent,” Gen. Serhii Dvoretskiy, a top intelligence commander, said in an interview at the base. Now entering the third year of a war that has claimed hundreds of thousands of lives, the intelligence partnership between Washington and Kyiv is a linchpin of Ukraine’s ability to defend itself. The C.I.A. and other American intelligence agencies provide intelligence for targeted missile strikes, track Russian troop movements and help support spy networks. But the partnership is no wartime creation, nor is Ukraine the only beneficiary.It took root a decade ago, coming together in fits and starts under three very different U.S. presidents, pushed forward by key individuals who often took daring risks. It has transformed Ukraine, whose intelligence agencies were long seen as thoroughly compromised by Russia, into one of Washington’s most important intelligence partners against the Kremlin today. The listening post in the Ukrainian forest is part of a C.I.A.-supported network of spy bases constructed in the past eight years that includes 12 secret locations along the Russian border. Before the war, the Ukrainians proved themselves to the Americans by collecting intercepts that helped prove Russia’s involvement in the 2014 downing of a commercial jetliner, Malaysia Airlines Flight 17. The Ukrainians also helped the Americans go after the Russian operatives who meddled in the 2016 U.S. presidential election. Around 2016, the C.I.A. began training an elite Ukrainian commando force — known as Unit 2245 — which captured Russian drones and communications gear so that C.I.A. technicians could reverse-engineer them and crack Moscow’s encryption systems. (One officer in the unit was Kyrylo Budanov, now the general leading Ukraine’s military intelligence.) And the C.I.A. also helped train a new generation of Ukrainian spies who operated inside Russia, across Europe, and in Cuba and other places where the Russians have a large presence.The relationship is so ingrained that C.I.A. officers remained at a remote location in western Ukraine when the Biden administration evacuated U.S. personnel in the weeks before Russia invaded in February 2022. During the invasion, the officers relayed critical intelligence, including where Russia was planning strikes and which weapons systems they would use.”
Ahogy mondod, Báttya! Úgy utáltam a katonaságot mint a szart, pedig marasztaltak, jók voltak a lőlapjaim, nem pofáztam vissza, no pia és tudtam futni mint a Forrest Gump. ! Mondta a hadnagy, gyere tiszti iskolába meg minden. Nincs az az Isten hogy én még egyszer négyzetre hajtogassam össze a nadrágomat és az ingemet. meg surranóban aludni a lópokrócon meg barmokkal együtt élni.. Nincs az az Isten. Amikor visszajössz eltávról , minden ágyneműd ellopva. Azt a köcsögöt aki szopatott azt meg leszerelés után megtaláltam és egy csendes hajnalon elintéztük.
Annak azért van egy diszkrét bája, hogy olyanok bíztatják a kiskatonákat a lövészárok harcra, akik még életükben nem álltak fel a billentyűzet mellől és jó eséllyel fel voltak mentve tornából. Érdekes, hogy a katonaviselt emberek nem erőltetik a háborút.
Nem is téged kéne, hogy érdekeljen, hanem az ukrán politikát. Az fix, hogy az oroszok már nem fognak kivonulni, erről kár is álmodozni. A lényeg, hogyan rendezhető az ügy, most már minél kevesebb áldozattal. Pár nagyokos itt megmondta, harc a végsőkig. Oké.
Maximálisan egyetértek . Én még 88 -ban voltam sorkatona Szabadszálláson , egyszer lőtér biztosításra küldtek egy társammal Orgoványba .Három napot voltunk ott két Magyar és négy Szovjet katona , annyi volt a különbség köztünk és a négy Szovjet között ,hogy az ő AK-jukban teli tár volt ,a mi AMD-nk ben meg üres tár, ,csak hogy tudjuk ki a főnök . Mivel nyolc év kötelező Orosz nyelvtan órán csak ragadt rám valami ,elég jól elbeszélgettünk velük .Iszonyatos honvágyuk volt és állandóan éheztek szegények . De a lényeg ,hogy a négy Szovjet katona Harkovi volt . Tehát ha megszállás miatt utálnunk kellene a jelenlegi Oroszokat akkor az Ukránokat is gyűlölnünk kellene SŐT még magamat is , hisz a kommunizmus katonája voltan ,de mi,, legalábbis sokan , NEM GYŰLÖLÜNK SENKIT , és ez a békepártiság vagy legalábbis semleges hozzáállás a fősodor szemében bűn. Pedig mindennel támogatjuk Ukrajnát (fegyvereken kívül),és mégis mi vagyunk sz.rok.
mint már mondtam többszr is, engem nem érdekel teljes mértékben hogy ki kivel ki áll mögötte , milyen összeesküvés elméetek vannak, engem a tények érdekelnek, mint az aranygaluskanal, nemérdkel mivan benne hogyan készitik, amit latok az a lényeg, jelenleg a ruszkik bemasiroztak tankokkal rakétákkal katonkkal ukrajnaba és ölik az ukrán népet, ennyi a többi engem hidegen hagy azt meghagyom nektek. egy a lényeg.huzzanak ki a ruszkik ukrajnabol és hagyják oket a családomat békén. ennyi.
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